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		<title>Portland Web Innovators Meeting Tonight</title>
		<link>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2007/04/04/portland-web-innovators-meeting-tonight/</link>
		<comments>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2007/04/04/portland-web-innovators-meeting-tonight/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Browsers]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[PDX Web Innovators]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Portland]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I know it&#8217;s late notice, but this should a fun one. Adam has put together a great event, with Dietrich Ayala, a Portland-based Mozilla developer, giving a preview of Firefox 3. Thanks to ISITE for hosting too! When it comes &#8230; <a href="http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2007/04/04/portland-web-innovators-meeting-tonight/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s late notice, but this should a fun one.  <a href="http://www.adamduvander.com/simple/why-firefox-has-succeeded">Adam</a> has put together a great event, with Dietrich Ayala, a Portland-based Mozilla developer, giving a preview of Firefox 3.  Thanks to <a href="http://www.isitedesign.com/">ISITE</a> for hosting too!</p>
<p>When it comes to web innovations, Firefox definitely fits the bill.  I remember first discovering Firebird (as it was known before the name change) a few years back along with the Edit CSS plugin, and was amazed that I could edit CSS on the fly and see the changes live.  Its been my browser of choice ever since.  I didn&#8217;t even bother with Safari when I recently bought an iMac, took it out of the dock on the first day in fact.  It&#8217;s only used for compatibility testing.  The main reason I use Firefox?  For the plugins.  No other browser can compete with the sheer volume of useful plugins.  This speaks to a compelling reason for offering an API as well, if you can get developers building cool stuff on your platform, the users will follow, and I do believe Firefox will take over IE.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be interested in the discussion around offline apps as well, one of the <a href="http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3">most mentioned features of Firefox 3</a>.  What, with the recent buzz around <a href="http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo">Adobe&#8217;s Apollo launch</a> and then <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/347-youre-not-on-a-fucking-plane-and-if-you-are-it-doesnt-matter">DHH&#8217;s remarks</a>.</p>
<p>Come out if you can, here&#8217;s the details:</p>
<p>Wednesday, April 4, 2007<br />
7:00 PM &#8211; 9:00 PM</p>
<p>Where<br />
ISITE Design<br />
115 NW First Avenue, Suite 500<br />
Portland, Oregon 97209</p>
<p>Description<br />
Dietrich Ayala will talk about his work with the Mozilla Corporation and whatâ€™s coming in Firefox 3.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pdxwi.com/events/4">http://www.pdxwi.com/events/4</a></p>
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		<title>Running multiple browser versions side-by-side</title>
		<link>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2006/12/01/running-multiple-browser-versions-side-by-side/</link>
		<comments>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2006/12/01/running-multiple-browser-versions-side-by-side/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Browsers]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Microsoft]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Need to run both IE 6 and 7 in order to test your sites? For that matter, you&#8217;ll probably want Firefox 1.5 and at the same time as well. Well, the IE blog announces the release of an Virtual PC &#8230; <a href="http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2006/12/01/running-multiple-browser-versions-side-by-side/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need to run both IE 6 and 7 in order to test your sites?  For that matter, you&#8217;ll probably want Firefox 1.5 and at the same time as well.  Well, the IE blog <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/11/30/ie6-and-ie7-running-on-a-single-machine.aspx">announces the release</a> of an Virtual PC hard drive with an authorized Windows XP image and IE 6 installed.  They also provide the previously announced free VPC install.</p>
<p>There is a catch, it only lasts 4 months (treating us to a wonderful April fools).  But at least it saves me from creating my own VPC hard drive and sitting through a windows install until then.</p>
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		<title>Firefox 2 takes new measures against popups</title>
		<link>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2006/11/17/firefox-2-takes-new-measures-against-popups/</link>
		<comments>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2006/11/17/firefox-2-takes-new-measures-against-popups/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Browsers]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[If I had to pick only one application to have installed on my pc, it would be Firefox. I live in it for a good chunk of the day, and am extremely hesitant to install anything else (with the exception &#8230; <a href="http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2006/11/17/firefox-2-takes-new-measures-against-popups/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/firefox-title.png" alt="Firefox 2" /></p>
<p>If I had to pick only one application to have installed on my pc, it would be Firefox.   I live in it for a good chunk of the day, and am extremely hesitant to install anything else (with the exception of development servers and some programming tools).  That&#8217;s the power of the web, you can do almost anything in a browser now days.</p>
<p>So, it was with great excitement that I updated to the new Firefox release a couple weeks ago.  There are definitely some great features, first and foremost is the spell-checker (getting close to saying goodbye to Word forever) and second , improved tabbing.  But there was one subtle change that is a rather large blow to pop-up windows.  I don&#8217;t mean pop-ups in the bad way, when used for ads.  I mean when purposely used for an application, such as the one I&#8217;m currently developing where the pop-up allows the user to monitor information while still using the main application.  IMO, it would be very awkward to use a div-window within the main document.  So, the change?</p>
<p><img src="http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/firefox-javascript.jpg" /></p>
<p>Note the &#8220;Raise or lower windows&#8221; option in the javascript settings.  You can no longer bring focus to a opened window by default.  The user has to grant this permission.  Fat chance of relying on a user setting.  So, my workaround is to close and open the window again when trying to bring it to focus.  This is doable, but for the life of me, I can&#8217;t figure out how to save off the coordinates of the opened window before closing it.  Still some more research for that one to get a nice cross-browser solution.</p>
<p>Anyway, couple the focus issues with the <a href="http://www.yorkspace.com/2005/11/31">title bar issue</a> discovered by a co-worker, and it really seems that FF is pushing hard against pop-ups.</p>
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		<title>Windows Live Favorites</title>
		<link>http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2005/12/09/windows-live-favorites/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Browsers]]></category>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/?p=61</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Let me start off by saying this Windows Live branding is dumb. I mean, I guess it presents some consistency. But, like with Windows Live Local, it sounds like a tag line for the evening news, not a web app. &#8230; <a href="http://www.webthingsconsidered.com/2005/12/09/windows-live-favorites/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start off by saying this Windows Live branding is dumb.  I mean, I guess it presents some consistency.  But, like with Windows Live Local, it sounds like a tag line for the evening news, not a web app.</p>
<p>So anyway, I was reading over at <a href="http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=b664f6ad-e37b-4e44-b3ca-eb2bfe3b5c85">Dare&#8217;s</a> blog about the release of Windows Live Favorites and the associated toolbar.  I thought it might be interesting to try out.  But, it&#8217;s entirely IE specific.  Bleh.  Considering this &#8220;Live&#8221; strategy is about hosted services, I see no reason, other than the fact that Microsoft makes IE, to not support other browsers.  I only use IE when I have to to test sites, so this is certainly no reason to switch back.  I&#8217;ll stick with del.icio.us and the firefox extension for now.</p>
<p>Just to recap online bookmark services/tools that I&#8217;ve tried or attempted to try:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://del.icio.us">Del.icio.us</a> with <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1532">FireFox extension</a>: Thumbs up.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.flock.com">Flock</a> (which integrates with Del.icio.us): <a href="http://webthingsconsidered.blogspot.com/2005/10/is-flock-half-assed-product.html">Thumbs down</a>.</li>
<li>Windows Live Favorites: Thumbs down.</li>
</ul>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried any of the other Del.icio.us-alikes, like Furl, My Web, etc.  Does anybody prefer one of these or a different service that works well with FireFox?  I&#8217;d be curious to take a look.</p>
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